My name is William Gallego, and I am a producer for ABC Lincoln Square Productions. I have multiple responsibilities at work, but most of my time is spent as a segment producer on ‘What Would You Do?’, which is a moral dilemma television show that airs on ABC. I also spend a lot of time working on development projects for the network. A lot of times, someone will commission our production company – Lincoln Square – to produce a pilot for a television show, and then we’d shop that around to some networks to see if they would want to pick it up. I also recently started a part-time adjunct position at Queens College, teaching ‘Intro to Visual Production’; it’s my first semester doing that. I’m actually a graduate from Queens College – I was there from 2007-2011 – so when I was offered a position to go back and teach, I felt not only that I wanted to jump at the opportunity, but it was also my responsibility to go back and try to help in any way that I can.
I’d like to think I’m a very reserved person. I’m a quiet person. I describe myself as sort of an introvert. I keep to myself, and I like to think and read a lot. I’m not too social, and I don’t go out too much; but for the most part, I’m someone who likes to work hard and help anyone in any way that I can, and it doesn’t matter if it’s school or work. I think a lot of people might say that I might come off as a little too eager to help, but I felt that – especially growing up – people always were so eager to help me, so now that I’m in a position to kind of give back, I try to do that as much as possible. Even if sometimes I might come off as an ‘eager beaver’. But I’m not intimidated by that.
Tell us about your career journey.
My career journey has moved a lot faster than I anticipated. When you’re in undergrad or even grad school – I graduated from NYU in 2013 – when you take on a career in media, a lot of times, you wonder where you’re going to be in 3 to 5 years. What your starting salary is going to be. Whether you’re going to have enough money to pay rent. Those are some of the fears and worries I had coming out of school. If I was going to even be able to land a job. At the time, I think the media landscape was kind of starting to pick up again. So I was very fortunate that I was in school during a lot of the time when jobs were scarce, people were getting laid off, and media companies were trying to re-shift their focus and figure out going into the new decade – the 2010’s – how they were going to try survive and adjust to what had happened in the first decade of the 2000’s.
So I was very fortunate to be in school during that time, especially 2008, 2009, and 2010. A lot of professors that I had at the time were struggling, in between jobs, and they were trying to make it work. So if you think to yourself, ‘if these experienced professionals are struggling to make it work, what’s it going to be like for me going out into the real world?’ I was very fortunate when I graduated from Queens College, I was working for a television show that aired on PBS at the time; I could have stayed there, employed, but I decided that that’s not what I wanted to do. So I gave myself the option to go to grad school.
I went to grad school – I went to NYU – and I did the typical 2-year program. I graduated in 2013, and during my last semester I was able to land my job at ABC. I was there for a couple of months before I moved over to Fusion, which was a joint venture between Univision, which is the Spanish language cable network, and ABC News. I was there for almost two years before coming back to ABC in my current position. So things moved a lot, fast; I moved around the last the first few years, but I am happy where I am now. I’ve been here now since 2015. We’re finishing up another season of ‘What Would You Do?’ and I’m starting some other projects that I’m working on. So I’m very excited for what the next few years hold.
What are your top accomplishments?
Something I am most proud of actually, is currently – at my age (27) – being debt free from any student loans. Some people might think that’s kind of a weird thing to lead off with, considering I’ve won certain prestigious awards in my career. However, education is so important to me and so integral to success in this country, at least in my opinion. It doesn’t mean that education is for everyone, but my parents instilled that in me growing up; get your education, go as far as you can, do what you can, study, find a career that you’re passionate about, and pursue it. That’s something they instilled from an early age. They didn’t have to drill that into me because just by looking at them, seeing how hard they worked in jobs that they didn’t like, or want, or were necessarily passionate about – that drove me to continue working harder.
So I was able to go to Queens College, I have my Masters from NYU, and I’m debt free. I don’t think a lot of people my age can say that; I’m only 27, I’ve been out of school for four years, but I’ve been debt free since I was 25. I paid off my student loans immediately. I did everything that I could to pay them off. I consolidated all of them into one payment; any overtime that I worked, especially in my first few years of my career, went directly to that. Any income tax return that I received went to paying my student loans. I mean that’s basically all I was doing the first two and a half years of my career. So I’ve been very fortunate to do that.
Now in terms of career accomplishments, I’m also very fortunate that I’m 27 years old and my boss Danielle trusts me to produce segments for her. I’m very proud of the fact that I do get to write and produce my own segments, and they let me shoot; she entrusts me with a lot, and I appreciate it because she has, in more than one occasion, thrown me into the fire to see how I’ll come out on the other end. And I’ve managed to, I think, impress her until this point. So that’s something I’m also very proud of – the fact that she trusts me. And I think that someone who’s been in the business for as a long as she has, to instill so much trust in someone that was young and inexperienced at the time, as I was - it means a lot to me because clearly I made some kind of impact on her.
And then I can get into the physical awards; I’ve won an Emmy Award, Edward R. Murrow Award, and NAHJ Awards. And the Emmy Award itself is something that I’m very proud of as well, because we were a small team working on a piece for Nightline, in 2014, and I was actually was part of the story. I felt like I contributed and was integral to the story because I myself was an undercover reporter for the segment. Being undercover and working and making decisions in the field that contributed to the story, and kind of led it in the direction that it went. And I was very fortunate to be part of the process from beginning to end. When I won the award in 2015, it validated the work and all the hours I put in. It was an eight month long investigation and during that time, I think that I put in the man hours that I needed, I did what I had to do, and I felt like the end result was fair. So that’s something I’m very proud of, obviously.
How has your background influenced your success?
Growing up, when my parents first came to this country, we lived in a small apartment. It was a two-bedroom apartment – my mom and dad were still together at the time – and I had three sisters at that time. My younger sister came in 1996, but by that time we had already moved out of that apartment. But starting in that apartment, it was a two-bedroom – three of my sisters shared one of them, and my parents had the master bedroom. And I slept in a little hallway outside the kitchen. They set up a bed for me, they put up dividers, that’s where I was. I was the only boy in the family, so they felt like I needed my own privacy, and my sisters needed their own. And it was totally understandable and it was fine. That’s what I grew up in.
My dad was working a lot. He was almost never home. My mom was busy taking care of the kids and raising us. So at the time, that’s what I was accustomed to. I was very close to my mom, and I would rarely leave her side – I think my sisters would love to tell you stories about how I was basically always attached at her hip. And so growing up, I always saw the work that my dad and my mom both put in. It was different kind of work; my dad was putting in work to pay bills and put food on the table. My mom was working to raise kids. Both equally as hard, but different. They instilled those values in me from an early age. Sometimes, over the summer, my dad would take me to some of his jobs – he worked in construction – so he would show me some of the labor that he’d do. And at an early age I knew that I did not want to get into that kind of labor. Not only because it’s very taxing on the body, but on the mind and spirit, as well. When my dad would come home, he’d just look exhausted and beat up. And they were long hours that he would work. Granted, later on down the line, he and my mom went through some things and they felt the need to separate. But I would never take away what my dad did growing up, and everything he did for us. Especially when it came to providing a home for us, providing food for us, and stuff of that nature.
Later on, my mom took over the mantle and she became the sole provider for our family. And again, I have no idea how she pulled that off, but all my work ethic comes from them and their sacrifice. They came to this country in 1986, they didn’t have anything to their name. Both my mom and dad were just poor; we were a poor family coming from Colombia. They decided to come to this country to give their kids a better opportunity. And I think they succeeded in that because all five of us are college graduates and have our own careers and were able to hit the ground running. And they accomplished what they set out to do, which was to give us a better opportunity.
If you compare our lifestyle to the one that my family has in Colombia, it’s different. It’s night and day. Whereas they’re successful in their own right, you can’t compare the opportunities that we have here to the ones they have there. You can say that, for us, ‘the sky is the limit’ here, right? We’re living the American Dream, which is – you come here, you work hard, you build a family, and you build a life. Whereas in Colombia, you are limited by opportunity. Sometimes you can’t even go to school past a certain grade because you can’t afford it; and that’s not something that people here even understand, or comprehend, or can wrap their head around.
We have a lot of controversy going on currently in the news, and people talk about whether education or healthcare is a right. But in this country, that’s not even a conversation we should have, honestly; it should be the basic, fundamental, need for everyone. Everyone should be offered education and healthcare and the means to survive. Countries like Colombia, or any South American Country, or all the countries in Central America, where you get a lot of immigrants coming to this country, it’s because they don’t have the basic rights to live. And that’s what this country is supposed to offer. That opportunity.
So I’ve never been afraid to work, no matter what the job was – I was never afraid to take it on. In the beginning, especially in my career, working for free wasn’t something that I was afraid of doing. I held multiple internships, I volunteered on sets, I worked on music videos, and I worked on commercials – whatever I could so I could learn the business of producing TV or film. It didn’t matter to me; I was always working.
On weekends, I worked as Costco through most of my college career. It was a good paying job for a college student. They offered good hours, and they worked with my schedule – I have nothing but great, positive experiences from my time at Costco. They were very flexible, especially when it came to school and internships, and I explained to them that I wanted to work in the city, working at either like, for example, the internship at PBS, and an internship I had at a production company. They were always very understanding about what I was trying to do with my career, so they would give me the days off that I asked for.
I lost a lot of sleep. I didn’t sleep a lot because I was also a full time student. I was working part-time – 28 to 32 hours – at Costco, in addition to trying to intern one or two days. And all of that was easy compared to the work my mom was doing. Because at the time, by the time I was in college, it was already my mom that was taking care of our family. So all that was insignificant, considering she was working seven days a week, she was waking up everyday at 5:30 in the morning, and going to sleep at 12 or 1 o’clock. She was getting 4 hours of sleep, so me getting 5 hours or even 3.5 hours was nothing, because my mom is 30 years older than me. So if she can do it, if she has the spirit to do it, what am I going to complain about when I’m 30 years younger, I’m stronger, and I’m healthier?
I definitely didn’t have the childhood she had. My mom and dad both grew up in an environment where they had to perform arduous manual labor on a farm or at home or figure out ways to make ends meet. I didn’t have any of that. I was pretty sheltered compared to that. We didn’t have everything by any means while growing up; but I wouldn’t say I struggled, or I was cold, or hungry. I didn’t really suffer or anything like that when I was growing up, and that’s a testament to their hard work. Because I know we did not have a lot growing up. But it certainly didn’t feel that way.
How do the P.O.L.I.N.G.® principles apply to your experiences?
In terms of the P.O.L.I.N.G.® framework, it’s something that I had never – before I met [Betty Ng] – it’s something that I never really thought much about. But then when I start looking back and reflecting on my journey, where I came from and how I ended up here; and how I can apply P.O.L.I.N.G.® to my life, I definitely think that there’s a connection that can be easily made. Especially when you talk about the first two letters: (P)erseverence and (O)thers.
Always fighting and trying to push through those barriers, always trying to make sure to keep a goal and task at hand, and you try to accomplish that. There have been so many times where I wanted to give up and stop trying, or stop working, or take the easy way out, so to speak. But then you realize that it’s not just for me – the things that I’m doing aren’t just for me. Not only am I hoping to leave an impact later on down the line with other generations in my family, but also just in my current generation or even the people in my life now – trying to Persevere so they see that I didn’t give up. And if that kind of inspires Others, which is the second letter, that to me is the end goal, honestly.
It doesn’t matter to me the kind of impact I leave behind. What matters to me more is that people see my struggle and they use it to better themselves. Even now in my teaching position, I have 16, 17 students; even if I can just impact one life, that makes a difference. Because that’s all it takes. Right? I mean everybody can probably draw back to their college experiences and talk about that one professor that inspired them to get into whatever field they’re in. And I certainly have my handful of professors that have helped me. And I think that is what makes teaching so rewarding; it’s because you’re actually interacting with people on a day-to-day basis, and that to me is very important. They can draw from my experiences and relate to them, because a lot of the students at Queens College, for example – they live in the neighborhoods I grew up in. The neighborhoods I worked in. The neighborhoods I worked out in. These are people who can relate to my experiences.
I was sitting in their chair 8 years ago, thinking to myself, ‘what am I going to do in the real world?’ and it makes a difference. Even as a professor, going back to P.O.L.I.N.G.®, I’m a leader in that sense as well. Because I am the leader of that pack. I am the head honcho. I am the person that they call and email, and speak to and they ask questions to, and they look to me for answers. And I take that very seriously.
And even if I go back to work, even my current capacity at work, I consider myself someone who leads by example. I arrive at a certain time, I do my work, I keep my head down. I try to just make sure I earn everything that I get. I don’t want anything given to me. I want to earn it. No handouts. There’s nothing rewarding about being given something you haven’t earned. You want the fruits of your labor to pay off, because that’s what makes it worth it. Right? All the long hours, all the time you spent studying. All the time you spent working. All the time you spent writing, reading, whatever it is. When you see the work pay off at the end, that’s when it’s the most rewarding.
Next up is ‘I’. (I)nspiring. It’s a bit intimidating to say ‘I want to inspire,’ because on one hand, that can come off as very disingenuous. To say ‘oh, that guy wants to be an inspiration’ – but that’s not necessarily what I mean by that. I don’t want it to be my words that inspire, I don’t want anything I say to be what inspires people – I want my actions to speak louder than my words. There’s many ways you can inspire people, and I think the fact that I have persevered and I have helped others, and I like to think I exude great leadership qualities, and I think that in itself is a way to inspire. So I think people can look to me and see my story and journey and say, ‘you know what? He did it the right way. He kept his head down, he worked. And he came from this background.’ My family, you know, they didn’t have much growing up. But you work hard – you do what you have to do. You set goals for yourself. And slowly but surely you see the fruits of your labor paying off.
And then (N)etworking. That’s also very important. And that goes back to leaving a good impression and making sure that you understand that any room that you’re in is an opportunity to meet someone and leave an impact. So that’s something I take very seriously – it doesn’t matter what room I’m in, I’m always going to be a confident individual. I’m not going to be in a room and I’m not going to sulk in the corner. I’m not afraid to talk to people and make a name for myself. And I think that that’s one of the ways that you grow. Which brings us back down to the last letter, ‘G’.
And that’s (G)rowing. That’s making sure that you’re true to yourself. You understand what your purpose and goals are, and you know your strengths and weaknesses. A lot of people might see a weakness and think that ‘oh, that’s my weakness, I can’t work on that so let me focus on [something else]’ but that’s not necessarily true. Understanding what your strengths are is what helps you succeed. But understanding your weaknesses is what helps you grow. And to me, that’s more important than anything else. Because you’re only going to be as strong as your weakest link – to use a cliché. So whatever your weaknesses are, once you start working on those, that’s how you can truly grow both professionally and individually.
When has your background posed a challenge?
I wouldn’t say that there have been too many times that my background was an obstacle or a central issue in my life. However, I will say that, being a person of color, being a minority in this country – I always felt like I had a target on my back, so to speak. I always felt like I had to work harder; I had to prove myself twice as hard, I had to work twice as hard, I had to show that I did belong. Because English wasn’t my first language. Because I am someone who came from immigrant parents. Whenever I brought homework home or I had questions at home, who was going to help me? My parents didn’t go to school beyond the 3rd or 4th grade. My older sisters had their own lives, they had kids; for a long time growing up I was the only one I could rely on to help myself with homework, reading assignments.
And my sisters were great, don’t get me wrong. Don’t think that they weren’t there to support me every chance that they could. However, growing up, there was no one to help us with homework. We kind of just had to manage on our own. My parents didn’t know a word of English; I don’t even think they can read or write the language today. My mom understands it pretty well, my dad does too, and I guess they can defend themselves. But I think that was the biggest obstacle that I faced. Not having someone that could help me. Not having someone who could tell me what it’s like to apply to college or fill out a financial aid form. Who was going to help me with that? My older sisters, again, different time period. One of my older sisters is ten years older, the other one is six; they had their own lives, and they helped me when they could, but when it comes to stuff like that and picking schools, their opportunities were different from mine.
I was a first-generation man; the first person in my family to be born here. So that’s another target that I felt was on my back – to succeed. Because basically I’m the reason my parents came to this country. They came here so that I, being the first person in my family born here, could succeed. Could have other opportunities. Could make something of themselves. So having that burden on my back is something I take very seriously. And it still, to this day, continues.
And I think diversity, in general, whether it’s in education or in a professional work environment – it’s something that I’ve always noticed that I’m one of the few people of color, wherever I am. You can start all the way back to Queens College, go through NYU, and the various internships and jobs that I’ve had. I think minorities are very under-represented, especially when it comes to the work environment. Now, it’s funny because, you start thinking about the various retail jobs that I had growing up, and we’re certainly not under-represented there. But then you move into a more ‘professional’ experience, like I would say a more ‘white collar’ job type –a lot of the internships I’ve had, or even a lot of the jobs that I’ve had. Or a lot of the places that I’ve been when it comes to school. I do notice that there aren’t too many people of color, and there are definitely not a lot of Hispanics working in these places. So I think that’s something I do pay attention to and I do take very seriously, because I notice I have an opportunity to be a role model and to break down barriers for people. And I want people to understand that I take that very seriously.
Who has influenced you?
My mom is someone I admire very much. She’s worked very hard her entire life to basically raise 5 kids. She’s taken a lot of odd jobs to make ends meet. Among those jobs include cleaning, taking care of kids, running errands for people, and in general being kind of like a housekeeper. And one of her clients in the mid-2000’s was Miguel Sancho, who at the time was an ABC Producer and currently he’s the Senior Producer at 20/20. And as I going through my career, I had no idea how I was going to land on my feet. But my mom asked him if he would be willing to meet with me and talk with me and see if he could maybe help me land a job. As I was getting ready to transition from school to the professional world, he would always call me and ask me to pass by his office; and we’d talk, and I’d tell him what I was looking to do.
So he introduced me to Danielle Rossen, who was running ‘What Would you Do?’ at the time – this was in 2013. Now I didn’t stay there long, but he helped me get in the door and meet other people. Which eventually led me to the job at Fusion. I was there for two years, and I learned a lot. The experiences I had learned there are invaluable. The people I met, the people who took me under their wing and actually tried to show me how to be a television producer – think like one, write like one – none of that would have been possible without him first introducing me to Danielle. And that was something he didn’t have to do. He honestly didn’t have to do it. But he put himself out on the line and vouched for me. He didn’t know anything about me on a professional level. He didn’t know if I was competent, he didn’t know if I was lazy, he didn’t know what I was like. All he did was have a conversation with me on a personal level and he’d met me a handful of times. But from that I guess I made an impression where he felt like he could vouch for me, and he could recommend me for a position.
In 2015, I was very fortunate to win my first big award. I won an Emmy. And the first thing I did was, I shot him an email and said thank you for the opportunity. Not only did I win the award because he recommended me for the story, but if you think about it, my journey at ABC starts and ends with him. He’s the only person that I knew there. While I have forged friendships and relationships now, with people that consider me a valuable asset to the company, it all began because of him. So I always want to make sure that he understands that.
In addition to my parents and Miguel, there have been plenty of people who have influenced me and inspired me to pursue the career I’m currently in. Especially at Queens College. When I first started school, I didn’t really know what I wanted to do. I knew I liked writing, but it’s one of those art forms where you tell your parents you want to be a writer and they’re like, ‘oh god, he’s going to be living with me forever!’ You know, ‘how is he going to pay his bills?’ so that in itself is very intimidating. Especially when your mom and dad are telling you, ‘become an accountant, become a teacher; those are safe professions, that’s what you can do where you have a steady income’. But I couldn’t really do those.
Ironically enough, I’m teaching a class now. But that’s not the career that I wanted to pursue. I wanted to be true to myself, so I wanted to be a writer. But I didn’t know how to exactly make that a career. Was I going to write books, novels, was I going to write scripts, was I going to write for print – what was I going to do with that career? One of the first professors that I had in school that made me consider getting into TV and journalism specifically – and is currently now my boss at Queens College – is Professor Gavin McCormick. He’s so passionate about his field. He makes it really fun, and he makes you realize that regardless of what your income is going to be, regardless of what job you’re going to have, if you’re doing something you’re passionate about, things tend to work themselves out. One way or another.
That may sound a bit cliché, that may sound like one of those fairy tale endings, but no – if you put in the work, and you’re really passionate about a certain field, things find a way to work themselves out for you, and especially in your career. And he gave me the confidence to pursue it. I took all of his classes, and he was a tough grader, but he made me better for it. And then moving on to grad school, I had a lot of professors and classmates that I still look up to, to this day.
One of my classmates – her name is Mona – she works for the New York Times, and she’s someone I look up to a lot. And she may not realize it, but one of the first group projects I worked on was with her; and she had so much experience already, having been a print reporter for the Times, and she’s someone I still to this day look up to and think, she influenced me a lot. Especially her being from Egypt, and coming to this country, and making a name for herself – that’s harder than what I did. I mean I grew up here. I knew the customs already. I knew how to finagle my way around New York City. But it was all new to her, and she found a way to make it work. And I think that’s something that’s very important.
So I have other professors in grad school. I also have bosses that I’ve had throughout the years. I had a specific bosses when I was at Fusion – Rayner [Ramirez] and Keith [Summa] – they both took me under their wing and gave me assignments and made sure that my writing was tight. They had no problem looking over my work. Any time I had a question they were there to answer. They spent hours with me on the phone. They gave me advice. Even when I was leaving, at the end, when I was leaving and coming back to ABC, they were some of my strongest supporters, and they always made sure that they were advising me and telling me to do things that were right for me.
For selfish reasons, they wanted me to stay. But ultimately they gave me their blessing to leave, because they realized that it was probably the better career move for me. And even though they hated to lose me as a colleague, they knew that I was doing what was right for me, and the move was going to help me grow. And it did. Two years later, no regrets. And they gave me the confidence to do it. When you’re leaving a job, it can be very scary. You don’t know what the opportunities are going to be, you’re getting out of your comfort zone, and it helps you to hear it from the people you look up to that you’re going to be all right. It helps to hear that you’re going to be better for this. It helps to hear those things because you’ve spent the last two years working so closely with these people, and the fact that they’re giving you their blessing – or they’re fighting for you to stay – means so much. It gives you the confidence to continue doing what you’re doing, and making the right choices.
What kind of career advice would you give your younger self?
Some advice that I have for my younger self, or even people coming up now is, ‘don’t be afraid to take on free work.’ Don’t be afraid to work. Don’t be afraid to do the extra hours. Don’t be afraid to learn the extra skills needed. Don’t be afraid to teach yourself new things. I think sometimes people – especially myself when I was younger – get into this ‘oh, I didn’t learn that at school. I guess that’s it. I have no other means to improve myself.’ But that’s not necessarily true. Especially in this day and age of technology, you can learn so many things.
I basically taught myself how to edit based off of YouTube tutorials. You can teach yourself almost anything. I taught myself Photoshop off YouTube tutorials, and those are things you can help you, especially when you’re going into media. Make yourself versatile and teach yourself different skills. Make yourself a Swiss Army Knife. Don’t be afraid to take on different skills. And it took me a long time to learn that lesson on my own. I guess I was, I wouldn’t say lazy, but I would always make excuses. I guess they go hand in hand. But, for the most part, that’s one of those things I had to learn and I probably learned a little later than I would have liked. Which is, ‘don’t be afraid to take on free work’.
Because you never know who you’re going to meet, and that right there is the most important thing. Because again, it goes back to P.O.L.I.N.G.®. Networking. You never know who you’re going to meet. You never know what opportunity they’re going to provide. And I can think back on all the internships I’ve had until this point, or all the free work that I’ve done, all the volunteer work, all the sets I’ve been on – and I learned something at every single place I went. Every single place I worked for, I learned something new. And I’ve been able to apply it to work to get me to the point where I am now.
What are your thoughts about the iD community?
I think the iD community is something that definitely has been missing for a while. I think that especially, going over the site, and even doing things like this, I think this is something that can help. Especially in today’s day and age where social media can have such a long outreach. I mean, we’re doing this right now in New York City, but this can be seen by anyone all over the world. This can leave an impact that probably couldn’t have happened 15 years ago, 20 years ago.
Information was so limited back then compared to what we have now. Now we have so much information at our fingertips. Literally. In my pocket, I can pretty much pull up anything I want right now with my phone. That’s something even ten years ago, we probably couldn’t do. Yeah, in 2007, when I was in high school, I had a flip phone. And on that flip phone I was limited in what I could do with it. For the most part you make calls and text messages.
But now you can actually leave an impact; you can reach people on the other side of the world in a matter of seconds. Things like iD are very important because it gives an outlet for people, it gives people an outlet to reach to, that they can turn to during certain times of doubt, or during times where they don’t know what’s going on, or when they look in the mirror and say, ‘Do I fit in?’ Well, now organizations even like iD give you an opportunity to realize that there’s no such thing as ‘fitting in’. You don’t have to fit in. You’re perfectly fine being yourself.
You don’t have to be intimidated by looking to your left and your right and not seeing other people who don’t look like you, by not seeing other people that are different. That’s okay. You should be comfortable being yourself and I think that’s a very important message.